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DOUG.  SIM swapping, zero-days, the [dramatic voice] P-i-n-g of D-E-A-T-H, and LastPass… once more.

All that, and extra, on the Bare Safety podcast.


Welcome to the podcast all people.

I’m Doug Aamoth.

With me, as at all times, is Paul Ducklin.

Paul, how do you do?

DUCK.  Very effectively, Doug.

You set some excessive drama sound into that intro, I’m happy to see!

DOUG.  Effectively, how do you say “Ping of Loss of life” with out saying [doom metal growl] “P-i-n-g of D-E-A-T-H”?

You possibly can’t simply say [gentle voice] “Ping of Loss of life”.

You’ve acquired to punch it slightly bit…

DUCK.  I suppose so.

It’s totally different in writing – what have you ever acquired?

Daring and italics.

I simply went with regular textual content, however I did use capital letters, which helps.

DOUG.  Sure, I believe I’d daring and italicise the phrase “demise”, so [doom metal again] “The Ping of D-E-A-T-H”.

DUCK.  And use a number of colors!

I’ll try this subsequent time, Doug.

DOUG.  Get away the previous <blink> tag in HTML, make it blink slightly bit? [LAUGHS]

DUCK.  Doug, for a second, I used to be fearful you had been going to make use of the phrase [LAUGHS] <marquee>.

DOUG.  [LAUGHS] We love previous stuff right here!

And that dovetails properly with our This Week in Tech Historical past phase – I’m enthusiastic about this one as a result of I hadn’t heard about it, however stumbled throughout it.

This week, on 04 December 2001, the Goner worm ransacked the web at a tempo second solely to that of the Love Bug virus.

Goner unfold through Microsoft Outlook, and promised unsuspecting victims a enjoyable display saver when executed.

DUCK.  Goner…

I believe it acquired that identify as a result of there was a popup on the finish, wasn’t there, that talked about the Pentagon?

Nevertheless it was meant to be a pun – it was “Penta/Gone”.

That was actually the worm that reminded those who, in truth, Home windows screensavers are simply executable applications.

So, in the event you had been looking specifically for .EXE recordsdata, effectively, they may very well be wrapped up in .SCR (screensaver) recordsdata as effectively.

For those who had been solely counting on filenames, you may simply be tricked.

And many individuals had been, sadly.

DOUG.  Alright, we’ll go from the old-school to the new-school.

We’re speaking about LastPass: there was a breach; the breach itself wasn’t horrible; however that breach has now led to a different breach.

Or possibly that is only a continuation of the unique breach?

LastPass admits to buyer knowledge breach brought on by earlier breach

DUCK.  Sure, LastPass has written about it primarily as a observe as much as the earlier breach, which I believe was August 2022, wasn’t it?

And as we mentioned on the time, it was a really embarrassing search for LastPass.

However as breaches go, it was in all probability worse for his or her PR, advertising and marketing and (I suppose) for his or her mental property departments, as a result of it appears the principle factor the crooks made away with was supply code from their growth system.

And LastPass was fast to reassure individuals…

Firstly, their investigations recommended that, while they had been in there, the crooks weren’t capable of make any unauthorised modifications which may later percolate into the true code.

Secondly, entry to the event system doesn’t provide you with entry to the manufacturing system, the place the precise code is constructed.

And thirdly, they had been capable of say it appeared that no encrypted password vaults had been stolen, so the cloud storage of your encrypted passwords was not accessed.

And even when it had been accessed, then solely you’ll know the password, as a result of the decryption (what you referred to as the “heavy lifting” once we spoke about it on the podcast) is definitely executed in reminiscence in your gadgets – LastPass by no means sees your password.

After which, fourthly, they mentioned, so far as we are able to inform, because of that breach, among the stuff that was within the growth atmosphere has now given both the identical… or presumably a very totally different load of crooks who purchased the stolen knowledge off the earlier lot, who is aware of?

That did enable them to get into some cloud service the place some as-yet apparently unknown set of buyer knowledge was stolen.

I don’t assume they fairly know but, as a result of it could possibly take some time to work out what really did get accessed after a breach occurred.

So I believe it’s honest to say that is kind of the B-side of the unique breach.

DOUG.  All proper, we recommend that in the event you’re a LastPass buyer, to control the corporate’s safety incident report.

We are going to control this story because it’s nonetheless growing.

And in the event you, like Paul and I, battle cybercrime for a residing, there are some glorious classes to be realized from the Uber breach.

In order that’s a podcast episode – a “minisode” – with Chester Wisniewski that Paul has embedded on the backside of the LastPass article:

S3 Ep100.5: Uber breach – an knowledgeable speaks [Audio + Text]

Tons to be taught on that entrance!

DUCK.  As you say, that’s a terrific hear, as a result of it’s, I consider, what is thought in America as “actionable recommendation”, or “information you should utilize”.

DOUG.  [LAUGHS] Great.

Talking of news-you-can’t-really-use, Apple is usually tight-lipped about its safety updates… and there was a safety replace:

Apple pushes out iOS safety replace that’s extra tight-lipped than ever

DUCK.  Oh, Doug, that’s considered one of your best… I like that segue.

DOUG.  [LAUGHS] Thanks; thanks very a lot.

DUCK.  Sure, this stunned me.

I assumed, “Effectively, I’ll seize the replace as a result of it sounds severe.”

And I gave myself the explanation, “Let me do it for Bare Safety readers.”

As a result of if I do it and there are not any side-effects, then I can not less than say to different individuals, “Look, I simply blindly did it and no hurt got here to me. So possibly you are able to do it as effectively.”

I simply immediately seen that there was an iOS 16.1.2 replace out there, though I had had no safety advisory e mail from Apple.

No e mail?!

That’s bizarre.. so I went to the HT201222 portal web page that Apple has for its safety bulletins, and there it was: iOS 16.1.2.

And what does it say, Doug, “Particulars will observe quickly”?

DOUG.  And did they observe quickly?

DUCK.  Effectively, that was greater than per week in the past, and so they’re not there but.

So are we speaking “quickly” that means hours, days, weeks, or months?

For the time being, it’s wanting like weeks.

And, as at all times with Apple, there’s no indication of something to do with another working techniques.

Have they been forgotten?

Do they not want the replace?

Did in addition they want the replace, however it’s simply not prepared but?

Have they been dropped out of assist?

Nevertheless it did appear, as I mentioned within the headline, much more tight-lipped than standard for Apple, and never essentially essentially the most useful factor on the planet.

DOUG.  OK, superb… nonetheless some questions, which leads us to our subsequent story.

A really fascinating query!

Generally, while you join a service and it enforces two-factor authentication, it says, “Do you wish to get notified through textual content message, or do you wish to use an authentication app?”

And this story is a cautionary story to not use your cellphone – use an authentication app, even when it’s slightly bit extra cumbersome.

This can be a very fascinating story:

SIM swapper despatched to jail for 2FA cryptocurrency heist of over $20m

DUCK.  It’s, Doug!

For those who’ve ever misplaced a cell phone, or locked your self out of your SIM card by placing within the PIN incorrectly too many instances, you’ll know which you could go into the cell phone store…

…and often they’ll ask for ID or one thing, and also you say, “Hey, I would like a brand new SIM card.”

They usually’ll generate one for you.

Whenever you put it into your cellphone, bingo!… it’s acquired your previous quantity on it.

So what which means is that if a criminal can undergo the identical train that you’d to persuade the cell phone firm that they’ve “misplaced” or “damaged” their SIM card (i.e. *your SIM card*), and so they can get that card both handed to, or despatched to, or given to them one way or the other…

…then, once they plug it into their cellphone, they begin getting your SMS two-factor authentication codes, *and* your cellphone stops working.

That’s the unhealthy information.

The excellent news on this article is that this was a case of a chap who acquired busted for it.

He’s been despatched to jail within the US for 18 months.

He, with a bunch of accomplices – or, within the phrases of the Division of Justice, the Scheme Individuals… [LAUGHS]

…they made off with one specific sufferer’s cryptocurrency, apparently to the tune of $20 million, in the event you don’t thoughts.

DOUG.  Oof!

DUCK.  So he agreed to plead responsible, take a jail sentence, and instantly forfeit… the quantity was [reading carefully] $983,010.72… simply to forfeit that immediately.

So, presumably, he had that mendacity round.

And he apparently additionally has some form of authorized obligation to refund over $20 million.

DOUG.  Good luck with that, everybody! Good luck.

His different [vocal italics] Scheme Individuals would possibly trigger some points there! [LAUGHS]

DUCK.  Sure, I don’t know what occurs in the event that they refuse to cooperate as effectively.

Like, if they only cling him out to dry, what occurs?

However we’ve acquired some ideas, and a few recommendation on the best way to beef up safety (in additional methods than simply the 2FA you utilize) within the article.

So go and skim that… each little bit helps.

DOUG.  OK, talking of “little bits”…

…this was one other fascinating story, how the lowly ping can be utilized to set off distant code execution:

Ping of demise! FreeBSD fixes crashtastic bug in community software

DUCK.  [Liking the segue again] I believe you’ve bettered your self, Doug!

DOUG.  [LAUGHS] I’m on a roll immediately…

DUCK.  From Apple to the [weak attempt at doom vocals] Ping of D-E-A-T-H!

Sure, this was an intriguing bug.

I don’t assume it’ll actually trigger many individuals a lot hurt, and it *is* patched, so fixing it’s simple.

However there’s a terrific writeup within the FreeBSD safety advisory

…and it makes for an entertaining, and, if I say so myself, a really informative story for the present era of programmers who might have relied on,”Third-party libraries will simply do it for me. Coping with low stage community packets? I by no means have to consider it…”

There are some nice classes to be realized right here.

The ping utility, which is the one community software that just about all people is aware of about it, will get its identify from SONAR.

You go [makes movie submarine noise] ping, after which the echo comes again from the server on the different finish.

And this can be a function that’s constructed into the Web Protocol, IP, utilizing a factor referred to as ICMP, which is Web Management Message Protocol.

It’s a particular, low-level protocol, a lot decrease than UDP or TCP that persons are in all probability used to, that’s just about designed for precisely this sort of factor: “Are you really even alive on the different finish, earlier than I’m going worrying about why your internet server isn’t working?”

There’s a particular form of packet you may ship out referred to as “ICMP Echo”.

So, you ship this tiny little packet with a brief message in it (the message might be something you want), and it merely sends that exact same message again to you.

It’s only a primary manner of claiming, “If that message doesn’t come again, both the community or all the server is down”, somewhat than that there’s some software program downside on the pc.

By analogy with SONAR, this system that sends out these echo requests is known as… [pause] I’m going to do the sound impact, Doug … [fake submarine movie noise again] ping. [LAUGHTER]

And the concept is, you go, say, ping -c3 (which means test thrice)

You are able to do that proper now, and it’s best to get three replies, every of them one second aside, from the WordPress servers that host our web site.

And it’s saying the positioning is alive.

It’s not telling you that the net server is up; it’s not telling you that WordPress is up; it’s not telling that Bare Safety is definitely out there to learn.

Nevertheless it not less than it confirms which you could see the server, and the server can attain you.

And who would have thought that that lowly little ping reply might journey up the FreeBSD ping program in such a manner {that a} rogue server might ship again a booby trapped “Sure, I’m alive” message that would, in idea (in idea solely; I don’t assume anybody has executed this in follow) set off distant code execution in your laptop.

DOUG.  Sure, that’s superb; that’s the superb half.

Even when it’s a proof-of-concept, it’s such a small little factor!

DUCK.  The ping program itself will get the entire IP packet again, and it’s alleged to divide it into two elements.

Usually, the kernel would deal with this for you, so that you’d simply see the information half.

However while you’re coping with what are referred to as uncooked sockets, what you get again is the Web Protocol header, which simply says, “Hey, these bytes got here from such and such a server.”

And then you definitely get a factor referred to as the “ICMP Echo Reply”, which is the second half of the packet you get again.

Now, these packets, they’re sometimes simply 100 bytes or so, and if it’s IPv4, the primary 20 bytes are the IP header and the rest, no matter it’s, is the Echo Reply.

That has a couple of bytes to say, “That is an Echo Reply,” after which the unique message that went out coming again.

And so the apparent factor to do, Doug, while you get it, is you break up it into…

…the IP header, which is 20 bytes lengthy, and the remainder.

Guess the place the issue lies?

DOUG.  Do inform!

DUCK.  The issue is that IP headers are *virtually at all times* 20 bytes lengthy – in truth, I don’t assume I’ve ever seen one which wasn’t.

And you’ll inform they’re 20 bytes lengthy as a result of the primary byte shall be hexadecimal 0x45.

The “4”” means IPv4, and the “5”… “Oh, we’ll use that to say how lengthy the header is.”

You are taking that quantity 5 and also you multiply it by 4 (for 32-bit values), and also you get 20 bytes..

…and that’s the dimension of in all probability six sigma’s value of IP headers that you’ll ever see in the entire world, Doug. [LAUGHTER]

However they *can* go as much as 60 bytes.

For those who put 0x4F as a substitute of 0x45, that claims there are 0xF (or 15 in decimal) × 4 = 60 bytes within the header.

And the FreeBSD code merely took that header and copied it right into a buffer on the stack that was 20 bytes in dimension.

A easy, old-school stack buffer overflow.

It’s a case of a venerable community troubleshooting software with a venerable sort of bug in it. (Effectively, not any extra.)

So, if you end up programming and you must cope with low-level stuff that no one’s actually considered for ages, don’t simply go together with the acquired knowledge that claims, “Oh, it’ll at all times be 20 bytes; you’ll by no means see something greater.”

As a result of in the future you would possibly.

And when that day comes, it is perhaps there intentionally as a result of a criminal made it so on goal.

So the satan, as at all times, is within the programming particulars, Doug.

DOUG.  OK, very fascinating; nice story.

And we’ll stick with reference to code with this ultimate story about Chrome.

One other zero-day, which brings the 2022 complete to 9 instances:

Quantity 9! Chrome fixes one other 2022 zero-day, Edge patched too

DUCK.  [Formal voice, sounding like a recording] “Quantity 9. Quantity 9. Quantity 9, quantity 9,” Douglas.

DOUG.  [LAUGHS] Is that this Yoko Ono?

DUCK.  That’s Revolution 9 off the Beatles “White Album”.

Yoko might be heard riffing away in that tune – that soundscape, I consider they name it – however apparently the bit at the start the place there’s any individual saying “Quantity 9, quantity 9” again and again, it was, in truth, a check tape they discovered mendacity round.

DOUG.  Ah, very cool.

DUCK.  An EMI engineer saying one thing like, “That is EMI check tape quantity 9” [LAUGHTER], and apparently I don’t even assume anybody is aware of whose voice it was.

That has *nothing* to do with Chrome, Doug.

However provided that any individual commented on Fb the opposite day, “That Paul man is beginning to appear to be a Beatle”… [quizzical] which I discovered barely odd.

DOUG.  [LAUGHS] Sure, how are you alleged to take that?

DUCK.  …I figured I might dine out on “Quantity 9”.

It’s the ninth zero-day of the 12 months thus far, it appears, Doug.

And it’s a one-bug repair, with the bug recognized as CVE 2022-4282.

As a result of Microsoft Edge makes use of the Chromium open-source core, it too was weak, and a few days later, Microsoft adopted up with an replace for Edge.

So that is each a Chrome and an Edge situation.

Though these browsers ought to replace themselves, I like to recommend going to test anyway – we present you the way to do this within the article – simply in case.

I gained’t learn out the model numbers right here as a result of they’re totally different for Mac, Linux and Home windows on Chrome, and so they’re totally different once more for Edge.

Like Apple, Google’s being a bit tight-lipped about this one.

It was discovered by considered one of their menace searching group, I do consider.

So I think about they discovered it whereas investigating an incident that occurred within the wild, and subsequently they in all probability wish to preserve it underneath their hat, regardless that Google often has so much to say about “openness” in terms of bug-fixing.

You possibly can see why, in a case like this, you may want slightly little bit of time to dig slightly bit deeper earlier than you inform all people precisely the way it works.

DOUG.  Wonderful… and we do have a reader query that’s in all probability a query lots of people are considering.

Cassandra asks, “Are the bug finders simply getting fortunate at discovering bugs? Or have they struck a ‘seam’ stuffed with bugs? Or is Chromium issuing new code that’s extra buggy than regular? Or is one thing else happening?”

DUCK.  Sure, that’s a terrific query, really, and I’m afraid that I might solely reply it in a barely facetious kind of manner, Doug.

As a result of Cassandra had given selections A), B) and C), I mentioned, “Effectively, possibly it’s D) All the above.

We do know that when a bug of 1 specific kind exhibits up in code, then it’s affordable to imagine that the identical programmer might have made comparable bugs elsewhere within the software program.

Or different programmers on the identical firm might have been utilizing what was thought-about acquired knowledge or customary follow on the time, and will have adopted swimsuit.

And a terrific instance Is, in the event you look again at Log4J… there was a repair to patch the issue.

After which, once they went wanting, “Oh, really, there are different locations the place comparable errors have been made.”

So there was a repair for the repair, after which there was a repair for the repair for the repair, If I keep in mind.

There’s, after all, additionally the difficulty that while you add new code, it’s possible you’ll get bugs which might be distinctive to that new code and are available about due to including options.

And that’s why many browsers, Chrome included, have an if-you-like “barely older” model which you could stick to.

And the concept is that these “older” releases… they’ve not one of the new options, however all the related safety fixes.

So, if you wish to be conservative about new options, you might be.

However we actually know that, typically, while you shovel new options right into a product, new bugs include the brand new options.

And you’ll inform that, for instance, when there’s an replace, say, on your iPhone, and also you get updates, say, for iOS 15 and iOS 16.

Then, while you have a look at the bug lists, there are few bugs that solely apply to iOS 16.

And also you assume, “Howdy, these have to be bugs within the code that weren’t there earlier than.”

So, sure, that’s a risk.

And I believe the opposite issues which might be happening might be thought-about good.

The primary is that I believe that, notably for issues like browsers, the browser makers are getting a lot better at pushing out full rebuilds actually, actually rapidly.

DOUG.  Attention-grabbing.

DUCK.  And I believe the opposite factor that’s modified is that, previously, you may argue that for a lot of distributors… it was fairly troublesome to get individuals to use patches in any respect, even once they got here out solely on a month-to-month schedule, and even when that they had a number of zero-day fixes in them.

I believe, possibly it is also a response to the truth that increasingly more of us are increasingly more probably not simply to simply accept, however really to *anticipate* automated updating that’s actually immediate.

So, I believe you may learn some good things into this.

The actual fact not solely that Google can push out a single zero-day repair virtually instantaneously, but additionally that persons are keen to simply accept that and even to demand it.

So I wish to see that situation of, “Wow, 9 zero-days within the 12 months mounted individually!”…

…I like to think about that extra as “glass half fill and filling up” than “glass half empty and draining by means of a small gap within the backside”. [LAUGHTER]

That’s my opinion.

DOUG.  Alright, superb.

Thanks for the query, Cassandra.

In case you have an fascinating story, remark or query you’d wish to submit, we’d like to learn it on the podcast.

You possibly can e mail [email protected], you may touch upon any considered one of our articles, or you may hit us up on social: @NakedSecurity.

That’s our present for immediately; thanks very a lot for listening.

For Paul Ducklin, I’m Doug Aamoth, reminding you: Till subsequent time…

BOTH.  Keep safe!



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